Former Republican Congressman David Jolly (FL) joined MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace on Wednesday to discuss the latest "big lie" from the GOP, that Black Lives Matter protesters are all violent. You now have pro-life Americans saying, maybe I was pro-Roe all along. And we dont want you to not be able to vote. By 2018, those numbers had flipped, with most Americans now saying a third party was needed. It sounds like youre making a party that is focusing right now on process, not policy. You can make the case that were in an era where we have to protect American democracy. Ron DeSantis to be re-elected. Todays episode is a little different. And then his reward from the Democratic Party for defending democracy at deep personal cost was them spending $1.5 million on his extremist election-denying opponent because they thought that hed be easier to defeat in the general. Non-partisans are reticent to back minor party candidates for fear of wasting their votes. Egberto Williesis a political activist,author,political blogger,radio showhost, business owner, software developer, web designer, and mechanical engineer in Kingwood, TX. The state has more than 160,000 registered Independents. Independents who lean towards a party also tend to back that party at the same rate as openly partisan voters. And when you look at the third-party movements of the past number of years, first let me be the first to say that if the role of the Forward Party is to drive better action and policy and behavior from the existing parties, that is a victory. Were only going to get in if its the right office, the right decision, the right timing.. If you want them to become reasonable and, by the way, attract better people into the process because there are a lot of good people who will not go near this process, then what you need to do is you need to change the incentive structure. The tribes stayed together. Well, first let me say, thank you all for being here. Im friends with a host of people who actually are pretty reasonable and lucid when you talk to them one on one. Jolly in 2022 would have to run against an incumbent Rubio, who has built a national brand, or Gov. And so I tried to figure out why I felt so negatively. The more offices that can be reclassified in that way is an enormous win. After losing his race for Floridas 13th Congressional District in 2016 to Crist (now a Democrat), Jolly has built a successful career in the private sector. But Trump did not, as many have suggested, merely hijack a political party in order to rise to the most powerful position in the world. That reality is not going to change without election reform, he added. 94 percent for you sports fans, its a better win rate than the Jordan-era Chicago Bulls. The statistics you just cited, which are used often, represent the first Tuesday in November, which is when were only presented with two choices. Father of Capt. But the Democratic Party has some very anti lowercase D democratic freaking tendencies, where theyll kick minor parties off the ballot with gusto. You know why youre angry? He had hoped hyper-partisanship would create more opportunities for middle-of-the-road candidates. They cannot just be statements. But I became a Libertarian because I had a major policy dispute with both major parties, specifically on civil liberties and state power and law enforcement. But when so many of the issues that voters care about most like abortion, or climate change, or guns are also the most divisive, can any third party actually bring voters together under a big tent? So millions of Americans are looking at being like, where do I go to change anything in the system? I wrestle with that on a daily basis, Jolly said earlier this month from a landline in his mountain home. You know what I mean? This is a man who is well known for his misogyny, his equivocation and manipulation on matters of race and racial justice, a man largely unable to tell the truth or accept accountability, a man of little intellect, conviction or ideology who is often willing, and at times seemingly longing, to display his lack of temperament and fitness on the world stage. The state needs leaders willing to compromise, he said, who put people over partisanship. We live our elections on the razor edge. And understand the nuance of that, right? A 2004 Gallup survey found six in 10 people believed the two parties did an adequate job of representing American viewpoints; support for a third party hovered around 40 percent. And then they stand up and say, hey, we have to defend democracy? Part of HuffPost Politics. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Three years ago, I was a sitting Republican member of Congress who took to the House floor and called on then-candidate Donald Trump to drop out of the presidential race over his proposal to ban immigrants and asylum-seekers based on their religious faith. And what would you say to someone who is fearful of losing their vote, especially in a two-party system? The move, he said, would also pull together Democrats that realize we need to win. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. Well, this current iteration of the Libertarian Party I dont know why youre drawn to it. Andrew, let me take this because theyre forced into a funnel. So I said, look, this is the solution. Unless he thinks voters are ready to throw out that system, and he a 48-year-old from Pinellas County can be the candidate to lead them there. But to your point about nonpartisan offices, heck, yes. Someone has got to be the guinea pig, Dockery said. Father David B. Jolly. Show more. Good to be here. Want more of our free, weekly newslettersinyourinbox? Last month, the Tampa Bay Times reported that Ron DeSantis is appearing in radio ads in Idaho calling to invoke Article 5 of the Constitution to call for a convention to amend the U.S. Constitution. His retreat to the woods also has afforded Jolly time to spend with his family, away from the studio cameras and paid speaking circuit. Im going to get through my race, and Im going to turn around and join you all. I mean, what kind of Democrat or Republican do you feel like is going to leave their party behind to align with Forward? r/Republican_misdeeds Holy F-ing Shit!!! Democrats also expect to mount serious challenges for both jobs. You just fill out a form. Nicolle, I would say beyond identity politics, Jolly said, Politics of race and race-baiting I mean this goes back decades to some old tried and true tricks of the Republican Party to create fear around race for largely white suburban voters. David Jolly Popularity Most Popular #176481 Scorpio Lawyer #13 Last Name Jolly #5 50 Year Old Lawyer #1 Kendall Jenner Drake So lets just challenge the parties and say, hey, if youre so confident that independents dont exist, lets just open up the voting system via ranked-choice voting to let people vote for whomever they want. There are a significant number of Americans who want outcome-based, measurable metrics to policymaking. Before officially jumping from the GOP ship, the Pinellas County resident teamed with Jupiter Democrat Patrick Murphy, another former congressman, on a nationwide tour pushing for political common ground. Parents On TikTok Draw Instant Backlash For Potentially Dangerous Disney Hack. With those stakes, taking a chance on a third-party choice feels too great to risk, said Drutman. The son of a minister, Jolly is a fifth-generation Floridian and resides today with his wife Laura in Belleair Bluffs, Florida. But the single best way to help candidates rise up is to create a truly open system because right now, if you go to one of the two major parties, you know the first thing theyll ask you, how much money can you raise? Youre a 50 percent party. Just a really great story! God bless you. Right now, if you take a reasonable person, and you inject them into this set of incentives, theyre going to get less reasonable quick. comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment More posts you may like. WUSF Public Media - WUSF 89.7 | By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. Last month, the Tampa Bay Times reported that Ron DeSantis is appearing in radio ads in Idaho calling to invoke Article 5 of the Constitution to call for a convention to amend the U.S . David Jolly slams GOP assertion that parents, kids are under attack: 'No they are not' - The ReidOut. I have many, many friends within the Democratic Party. And the third lane is the new party space. Lets do it. Immediate Family: Husband of Nanny Maria Jolly and Mary Emily Jolly. . Im going to suggest thats a flawed outlet. Anyone can read what you share. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device. After the break, questions from some skeptics in the audience. Will people see candidates on their ballot with FWD next to their name? Florida has become ever more partisan in the last decade, making third-party candidates less attractive to voters, not more, said Lee Drutman, a political scientist from the University of California, Berkeley and author of Breaking the Two Party Doom Loop: The Case For Multiparty Democracy in America. And I was like, just adopt ranked-choice voting everywhere. (We may use excerpts from your message in a future episode.). By leaving us a message, you are agreeing to be governed by our reader submission terms and agreeing that we may use and allow others to use your name, voice and message. Its like 20 percent to 28 percent percent, according to recent polls. But what we learned coming out of the Dobbs decision is there are millions of Americans that see this as incredibly complex. David Wilson Jolly (born October 31, 1972) is an American attorney, former lobbyist and politician who served as the U.S. representative for Florida's 13th congressional district, based in Pinellas County, from 2014 to 2017. And when you take that to your elected leader and say, hey, why dont we switch to this more modern voting system that, by the way, rewards moderation, collegiality, women and underrepresented minorities, listen to what they say because that is what is keeping us from being able to actually vote the way we want. Se vuoi personalizzare le tue scelte, clicca su "Gestisci le impostazioni per la privacy". (A full transcript of the episode will be available midday on the Times website. Can we have fusion voting, all of those procedural issues? Also resulted in Sarah Palin losing that congressional race. And thank you to The Texas Tribune for having us. 2001 - 2023 Democratic Underground, LLC. That is the breakdown of where we sit as a country. Or you look you are dissuaded from todays Democratic Party. And thats OK. Thats a good thing. But Im curious as to between now and 2024, youve talked about getting ballot access, getting candidates in races. Sorry. And do we now live in a two-party America where only one supports a true democratic republic or not?, Jolly, who left the Republican Party in 2018, said America was now a long ways from being a multiparty democracy. What is the issue? Those are three I mean, yeah, thats why I became a Libertarian. That year, Republican Marco Rubio won a three-way race against Charlie Crist, who mounted an independent campaign after losing to Rubio in the GOP primary, and Democrat Kendrick Meek. And what is often conflated in this space is, oh, were going to see a presidential candidate thats going to transform politics. It wasnt a left-right conviction. But Jolly is a free agent. But he largely omits the closures of schools and businesses that happened under his watch. Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Greene has teamed up with George Santos as co-sponsor of a bill that could be used to ban books by LGBTQ authors in schools nationwide. Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Greene has teamed up with George Santos as co-sponsor of a bill that could be used to ban books by LGBTQ authors in schools nationwide. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Andrew, how do you respond to that? There is no such thing as common-sense abortion policy for, I would say, 40 percent of Americans. So within this broad movement, you need that third lane of a new party that can actually effectuate change. And I concluded my book saying, we need to have a positive unifying third-party movement that changes the incentives and the mechanics that right now are disproportionately empowering the most extreme hyper-partisans on both sides. Let me take the first question. There are very few Americans who are like, oh, yeah, this government is delivering everything I want at the level I want it. Birth Name: David Wilson Jolly Occupation: Lawyer Born In: Florida, United States Birthdate: October 31, 1972 Age: 50 years old (as of 2022) Ethnicity: Unknown Nationality: American Sexuality: N/A David Jolly was born on the 31st of October, 1972. So the fact is that there are, again, 90 percent of districts around the country where you know whos going to win anyway. Or could you be a Democrat and a Forward Party candidate? Former Republican Congressman David Jolly sees himself as the missing middle ground Floridians want as he gauges a statewide run next year as an independent. The former Florida congressman is itching to run for public office in 2022 possibly for U.S. Senate, though governor isn't out of the question. That was it. Crist took nearly 30 percent of the vote, and Meeks pulled in 20 percent. I thought that was immoral. In response to Trump, Scott Muller left the Republican Party and started the Serve America Movement, a political party intent on recruiting independent candidates. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Ill take this question. This conversation was recorded at the 2022 Texas Tribune Festival. So let me do a little housekeeping. Ive heard that a lot. Jolly, 42, whose divorce from his wife of 15 years, Carrie Jolly, was finalized last. And Jolly would love to be able to test it, he said. SET YOUR REMINDER:Watch/listen/engage in the civil discourse on these and many issues atPolitics Done Right daily(3 PM CT/4 PM ET/1 PM PT/2 PM MT). And he was like, hey, Andrew, what can we do to steal your thunder? Because thats not available to me in the current parties, who are only offering me one direction or another. Do you have information you want to share with HuffPost. Those voters are available to those parties. But even on a couple of the issues that you raised, whether its public education or climate change or issues like abortion, which has become in many states a new area of division, there are lots of things where people are not going to be able to find common ground on. Jolly, 32, has focused her political interests on a website devoted to her love of family, politics, food and pets. The Libertarian Party Became Too Extreme for Me, So I Changed My Political Allegiance, Should America Intervene in Haiti? As a Republican, I was in favor of climate science, gun control, campaign finance reform and sympathetic to abortion rights. In a more conventional race, she probably wins. Which party is going to get 51 to 49? Self - Representative, Florida (segment "Dialing for Dollars") 2014 Your World w/Neil Cavuto (TV Series) Self . Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner, from left, conducts a ceremonial swearing in of then-Republican Rep. David Jolly (R) in the U.S. Capitol on March 13, 2014. called on then-candidate Donald Trump to drop out of the presidential race, The imprint of Donald Trump: Former GOP Rep. explains why he left the party. A Democratic governor reached out to me. mostrarti annunci e contenuti personalizzati in base ai profili di interesse; misurare l'efficacia di annunci e contenuti personalizzati; sviluppare e migliorare i nostri prodotti e servizi. Maybe, looking at a constitutional amendment. David Jolly is a former Congressman and executive chairman of the Serve America Movement, which merged with the Forward Party. And the Libertarian Party claims to have approximately 300 elected representatives around the country. Last month, the Tampa Bay Times reported that Ron DeSantis is appearing in radio ads in Idaho calling to invoke Article 5 of the Constitution to call for a convention to amend the U.S. Constitution. He is co-chair of the Forward Party. David Wilson Jolly (born October 31, 1972) is an American attorney, former lobbyist, and politician who served as the U.S. Representative for Florida's 13th congressional district from 2014 to 2017. 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And so because of that, the experiment we embarked upon, the organizations then, one of which I led into this merger, was kind of a celebration of diversity of thought, left, right and middle. Find video clips and segments from The Rachel Maddow Show, Morning Joe, The Beat with Ari Melber, Deadline: White House, The ReidOut, All In, Last Word, 11th Hour, and Alex Wagner who brings her breadth of reporting experience to MSNBC primetime. News from our coverage partners and WUSF. Through no choosing of her own, our little girl will inevitably be born into a political household, a household in which her mom and I hope to live the political and moral principles we believe are right, and to prepare our daughter to someday make her own informed choices. My question would be, I guess, with regarding election reform. What do you think the approval rating is for Congress right now? We want to get on the ballot in 15 states by the end of this calendar year. Republican politicians project. And I did not become a Libertarian because of the process of voting. Because of professional conflicts, Im not a formal leader of the Forward Party. A former Republican, he previously served as general counsel to his predecessor, Bill Young. We need to start this positive unifying third-party movement. And I think that thats the case for a lot of people who are drawn to third parties, which is that you are drawn to the Libertarian Party. Rep. David Jolly | Rep. David Jolly Getting Started . You had a Republican member of Congress, who I know, who voted to impeach Trump, got death threats. David Jolly slams GOP assertion that parents, kids are under attack: 'No they are not' - YouTube 0:00 / 7:22 David Jolly slams GOP assertion that parents, kids are under attack: 'No. Why did he do that? And so to your point, and this is incredibly important, because I particularly on the issue of abortion and life, there are millions of Americans who want to exercise their politics in a very specific direction as part of a very specific coalition. I have to admit, I get very frustrated when Democrats act as if theyre the defending democracy party when theyll do things like elevating an election-denying extremist against Peter Meijer, who voted to impeach Trump. https://pmatep5f7b.execute-api.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/ProdStage. After Dobbs: Feminism Beyond the Gender Binary, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/05/opinion/third-party-politics-andrew-yang-david-jolly.html, Todd Heisler/The New York Times and Michael S. Schwartz/Getty Images. He added that the GOP that celebrates Trump would continue to be anti-republican, anti-democratic until someone wrests control of the party from the former president., "This notion that somehow there's a fight for the soul of the party there is nothing left of this Republican Party other than a party that's able to embrace and to elevate an undemocratic, anti-republic theme" - @DavidJollyFL w/ @NicolleDWallace pic.twitter.com/HI31AOVzRU. In the decade that has produced Republican voices like Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity and others, Trump cemented within the party a culturally lethal combination of sheer ignorance and raw indifference to responsible policy. Can we have ranked-choice voting? David Jolly on RNCs message: Trump is telling white people that Black people are coming for you, CPAC highlights grifter, huckster wing of the Republican Party, Medication abortion becomes new battleground, imperiling other aspects of health care, Swell of public support buoys New College students resisting DeSantis, Friday Nightcap: Winners & losers of the week, Rep. Colin Allred blasts Rep. Jim Jordan's 'tin foil hat' subcommittee. He and his wife, Laura, welcomed their first child in 2019 and like many, the public health scare has altered his priorities. Andrew Yang and David Jolly are two of the co-founders of the Forward Party, a new political party focused on advancing election reform measures, including open primaries, independent redistricting commissions in every state and the widespread adoption of ranked choice voting. The question for each of us is: What emerges from this most consequential political moment? Several Democrats have been the subject of speculation about possibly running for governor, with the list topped by Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried, the only statewide elected Democrat. So, Andrew, I know you talked about some of your goals of just get everyone to accept ranked-choice voting. But what I will tell you is that state laws dont actually create a pathway towards new party movements. The party so far has had more success in places where one party dominates, like Connecticut and New York, where 51 candidates won this cycle. And then secondly, what about getting offices reclassified as nonpartisan? 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My ideal Forward candidate would be someone who just wants to make things better for their community, is all about results, solutions, policies, doesnt demonize anyone. Former GOP Rep. David Jolly is urging House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) . So we can all vote for whomever we want. And weve seen examples of third parties, David, that have influenced elections and politics in the past by getting people activated around very specific issues, often very divisive issues. That is the message of the RNC."Aug. A recent Pew study found 90 percent of Trump and Joe Biden voters believed a victory by the other candidate would result in lasting harm to the United States. We would like to show you a description here but the site won't allow us. Moreover, CeCe is not the only kid in her family. Letsgetstarted. The Price of $5 Donations: Is Small-Dollar Fund-Raising Doing More Harm Than Good? And the new party movement does not need to apologize if it is attractive to those voters because what its a reflection of is that those voters are disaffected by the major parties. Think about that. Anyone who says, hey, it turns out that all these independents are just imaginary, it turns out theyd all just vote Democrat or Republican, then just change it to non-partisan open primaries and ranked-choice voting, and see how people vote. Email us at argument@nytimes.com or leave us a voice mail message at (347) 915-4324. Im actually a registered Libertarian, though Im starting to feel not very good about it. We have to get money out of politics to the extent possible. Three years later I find myself fully immersed in a dwindling coalition of Republicans often referred to as never-Trumpers. He is the chairman of the Serve America Movement. Andrew Yang is a former candidate for president in 2020 and candidate for mayor of New York City in 2021 and co-chair of the Forward Party. And I looked in the mirror and said, Im one of the most likely people in the country to do that. And so Republicans and Democrats, particularly Republicans, today say, if we can make our most local races partisan races, we can excite that tribe to win races.